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  • Marphad
    12-23 03:09 PM
    Though I strongly disagreed with some points made by the initial poster, some of your points look like they are out of the VHP's handy book.Muslims do have a slightly higher fertility rate, this is falling fast and there is only a slight difference between hindus and muslims.Partly it has to do with religion but there are various other reasons including higer female numbers and better mortality rate.

    See article.http://signal.nationalinterest.in/archives/madhu/63

    Another article(slightly older): http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mag/2002/11/10/stories/2002111000610300.htm

    I don't think this is accurate.It went upto a stage that Atal Bihari Bajpei personally had to interfere when he was PM to stop publishing census because number of minority rise was scary.I read this somewhere.I may be wrong but to convince myself I need more solid official census kinda proof.

    Also, please read my previuos post of muslim population in India at the time of separation, just after separation and now.




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  • Amma
    01-07 07:21 PM
    to call all of these people as highly skilled .Don't know the decency and decorum of the forum.Fighting in the name of religion.
    When you people are going to change ?

    People with no skill is better than so called highly skilled but no brain .




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  • gsc999
    08-15 12:41 PM
    A comprehensive look at Lou Doub, his past, his present and his future ( ;-) please see quote below for future...)


    "CNN president Jonathan Klein refused The Nation's requests for an interview, but he has told the New York Times that "Lou's show is not a harbinger of things to come at CNN."

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060828/eviatar




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    08-06 09:31 AM
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  • Pineapple
    12-26 09:39 PM
    Thanks Macaca, for doing the hard work no one else will (or can!!), and unearthing articles/compiling/collating research papers on the broader issues...My hats off to you!




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  • hpandey
    09-26 09:59 AM
    All this is going to happen in the very first year itself.Obama has already said CIR would be his priority for his first year.Dick Durbin and Obama will "reform" the EB system exactly the way you described below.In 2008 we have seen some eb friendly bills introduced by lofgren like visa recapture and exemption for STEM.Once Obama becomes president(which is almost a certainty) he will outsource the EB issues to Dick Durbin and he will make sure none of the EB friendly issues like visa recapture and exemption for STEM will happen.In addition obama and durbin will make our lives miserable with draconian restrictions on EB.We are alreday seeing USCIS denying AC21 485 (there is a seperate thread on this).If situation is like this now just imagine how horrible it would be with Obama and durbin.

    Last time the CIR bill died because a lot of people are against granting amnesty to illegal immigrants ( both Republicans and democrats ) .The president alone ( read Obama ) cannot decide that he wants to pa*s this bill because remember last year Bush was strongly in favour of the CIR bill and even had a conference with Senate leaders to push it through but it failed .The politicians know that the American people don't like the bill but they have to show that they are concerned with solving the illegal immigrant issue.This CIR bill is only a political gimmick.It came into picture because of the upcoming elections and next year I am pretty sure with no more elections the interest would not be that much to get it pa*sed ( although I am sure there will be a lot of people interested in getting it to the House and the Senate ).

    As someone said before if they try to bring some anti - highly skilled workers bill then the big companies are sure to cry out loud ( Microsoft , Cisco , Oracle etc etc ) and the politicians don't listen to us but they will surely listen to them.They have got the clout to get themselves heard.



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  • paskal
    04-09 12:24 PM
    Why do you need to hire other person if Joe is fit f
    or the job though he is not as bright as other H1b person.For example you do not need IIT graduate for QA position.For example If you want a core system software programmer in TCP/IP level or semiconductor R&D you can go brightest in the World.Bill Gates is an exception.95% of bright people will have degree or more in current world.


    i can only answer from a personal perspective.
    that logic works fine in some jobs and for those, that is exactly how it should be.for jobs that need some analysis/creative thinking etc it makes a huge difference.yell me why you would like to get a degree from the best school/ same degree right?
    i am a physician, if i were recruiting tomorrow (and we are) a million things matter.education, experience, acquired skills, where the applicant worked, what the patient population was etc
    by uscis rules anyone with board certification in our specialty is fine.if we advertise for more...we are breaking the law.if we take the better candidate with more skills...again if he /she has a visa, we breaking the law.pretty restrictive would you not say?understand that the group would gladly gladly hire an american if he fit in with the vision of what we need.but good candidates are scarce.and settling for the not so good bloke seems just not right.
    any way which physician would you choose to go to?these days patients come to us after checking our detailed credentials on the website.They know when they walk in whther i trained at the mayo clinic or abcd community hospital.so yes it matters, to you and to my group.




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  • I have not read all the mails.However, I want to express very naive thoughts (without a reading bias from previous mails) for now.I might reconsider some notions by the weekend until I am satisfied.

    I have studied Obama, CIR and immigrants plights all these years.Here is what I think could be positive:

    Obama is the kind of leader whao gets at the bottom the issues and tries to do the right thing (Watch Clinton's Florida speech, Oct 01, 2008 as to why he likes Obama!).He has the leadership skills and the strength of character to sway enough votes for any legislation including CIR.To me, so far he has shown Lincolnian charm.He is a serious guy who wants to do the right thing.

    He would try to balance middle cla*s american families and unemployment situation.When close to half a millions jobs are lost, it is illconceivable for anybody to push for immigration reform eventhough we may be on the right side of justice and victim of broken system.

    There may be some tough situations for immigrants such as less outsourcing, american worker priority and other programs to promote STEM within the company.However, he will be the person to stand up for plights of tech workers.He understands the need and benefits of tech-immigration.As far as I know, his voting for H1 and CIR has been positive.It will be Obama and not someone elase whao will decide the policy.Durbin might tie the loose ends.

    My feeling is this: Let us trust this man.Explain to him through IV and any other channels our problems and how it impacts present and future of America.If we could successfully argue (by all pure means) for a "A business model where tech-immigrants bring benefits and rate of returns in a much higher and a*sured fashion than the stock market", we could win this debate.

    We are dealing with reasonable, smart and patriotic people.We need to continue to explore better methods to effectively communicate and win the deal.It is all about intellectual exercise to win a deal....

    It is always prudent to have back up plans, however, it should not distract us too much.

    haven't we agreed that GC is only worth so much and we do not want to have our life hostage to GC.At the same time, timely GC status gives better control of our career and discharging our family obliations.Sooner is better.However, we could do only so much.

    Let us continue to do our best and hopefully with a new administration, we would learn new equations.

    I trust in the ability of IV and IV-sympathetic constituencies to bring us deserved reward and recognition sooner rather than later.

    Staying positive, continuing to learn (lobbying and swaying), adapting to the environment (what are the business needs of main street and wall street and how leaders perceive those) and doing our best (use best of our minds and achess game of life.....a special gift of God to Indians and others) and learn to be happy.

    Remember, this is the first stroke of my pen....I might revisit and reconsider some thoughts based on what most others are thinking.



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  • gapala
    12-20 08:54 AM
    Science keeps evolving as we learn new things.Something that evolves, learn and change is alive.Religion never changes and its "guardians" do not want it to change.Something that never evolve, change even after learning new things is dead.That's the fundamental difference between religion and science even when the two compete with each other in the same sphere to answer different questions of mankind.You seems to suggest that it is bad and wrong for science to continue to get better and evolve?

    Do you want to continue to follow a dead path or you think there is a possibility that there is more to this world than what is offered in the organized religion.I am not an atheist because I do believe in the Creator, our source.But I do not believe that any organized religion is the ONLY way to get there, as ALL religions preach.Rather, organized religions keep us away from getting there.All through out history, more people have been killed in the name of religion than any other aspect in nature.How is it possible that the path to our creator be so violent and deadly?The form of all recognized & organized religions practiced by over 99% of mankind is not the direction in which the "GODs" of these religions would want its followers to go.These religions were created by con artists and thugs long after the saints were gone.

    I find it funny that you blame science for evolving and making new discoveries i.e.blaming every next generation to learn more than it predecessors.Why?Because the smallest known particle to man is no longer an atom????And why do people need to lean their faith on a religion.If that faith is true in its entirety, what is the role of a religion?The fact that faith needs a religion on lean on, means that faith is not strong enough, and hence the case for elimination of religion from our way of life.

    But you said one thing right.Religion is the way we live.So religion is not the spiritual structure we want to live by but the corrupt immoral wrong way we continue to live, because our parents and our parent's parents lived like that, so it has got to be the right way, right?

    Faith could mean different things to different people because relationship with god is personal.But religion is laid out in the form in the "books".There is no difference in the way it says that "Jesus is the only son of God" or "Kafirs must be converted or killed" or "people of lower caste are there to serve Brahmans".There is no ambiguity to this.Now, if the faith is weak and it needs support to lean on a religion, then for some, faith and religion become synonyms.But faith and religion are in two different spheres and they are world apart, no matter how hard the religious right wants to try to obfuscate the meaning of "faith" and "religion".
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    It seems there is misunderstanding.Being in the field of science, I believe science and religion are complimentary to each other rather than competitive as you suggested.I guess you are comparing with what folks "Preach" as religion from books, that is taken out of context.I am not blaming science rather providing a perspective as it is still evolving and we know very little at this moment though it seems a lot :) be it in space research or in human anatomy.Process of birth or process of death :)

    Are you suggesting that all organized religions are bad?I guess not.Science spectrum, not at the academic level, but at the professional arena believe that knowledge already exist, call it religious or spritual or something else and that is why we "research" which leads to development.Its very suggestive and not original.Re-search for something that exist but not available point in time.it is not brand new.Just to quote, There is a research project on process of birth, the description of process of birth already exist in the scriptures.I am not naming any here.you can google it if you are interested.Its clearly describe embryogenesis, week by week growth etc.We do not believe anything which is not proven by science right?We could see things through only after the invention of radium further development into X-RAY and Ultrasound technologies and commercial use in 1900's.Descriptions of the past and what we see matches except the language :).Lot of the things of past are yet to be proven by science.You know what is interesting?Descriptions are in the phylosophical book not even a medical book.

    To your point, Not only science, everything changes and evolve at the core including you and me.In life science, researchers look at you and me as composition of chemicals which reacts constantly and changes happens every moment.There are few things that does not change..that is why they are called truth.They stood the test of time such as Earth is not flat :).

    We both agree on point that organized religion is not the only way but that does not mean that, its a bad thing, exception of extremism.

    Now, not even a single cell in yours and my body remains same after 7 years..what that means is you are a completely new model after 7 years.Science provided more insight and new pespective into the religion and I do not think the values instilled in us by parents and their parents such as Health, Hygiene, Home, Human Values, Harmony in Diversity etc.are dead.You also have to take into consideration, the circumstances of the past and level of technological development.

    We have gotten a new perspective due to research and development in science.Now do not mis quote me comparing with "book religion" that people preach.I am not at all talking about that at all though that is not a bad thing as well other than people who would pervert it in wrong way to create chaos in the world.




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  • ak27
    01-28 09:54 AM
    Lou Dobbs has found an audience who oppose any form of immigration.Lou picks and choose facts which support his point of view and no one at CNN is stopping him because his ratings have gone up with his rant...



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  • styrum
    08-11 12:02 PM
    great find yabadaba.Thanks.I have sent this link to someone who can do some data analysis in our favor.However we are looking for EB GC data.

    do you/anyone know of any data sources for EB greencard applications on USCIS site/someone has already done stat research based on uscis data?

    The USCIS's "Yearbook of Immigration Statistics" is a valuable source of info in any immigration debate!
    http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/yearbook/index.htm

    One can catch on lies a lot of anti-immigration jerks and even the USCIS themselves using their very own data!You can clearly see how the number of employment based Green cards changed, for example, how sharply it dropped in 2003 for some reason (not in 2002 which could be explained by 9/11!).They have no explanation for this.Apparently they were told to do so.The sabotage is obvious.There are more interesting facts there.Say, one can check if a particular country really has contributed too many immigrants in the last years to be excluded from the GC lottery or not, while another country is for some (political) reason still eligible despite it exceeded the limit.




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  • akhilmahajan
    09-30 02:08 PM
    Any inputs on the Nov Visa Bullietin ?Will the dates move forward substantially ?

    Post this under the VISA Bulletin thread buddy.
    Lets not loose focus of this thread.

    Really appreciate that.

    GO I/WE GO.



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  • desi3933
    08-05 04:33 PM
    Instead of getting emotional if we look at the point Rolling_Flood is trying to make, it makes perfect sense.

    I don't see why there are so many angered arguments...

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    Looking at previous trashing of thread opener, I am expecting lots of reds - so go ahead but that not going to change the truth.


    Are you Rolling_Flood?

    Law is what it is.It is not what you believe is correct.




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  • jayleno
    10-01 07:58 PM
    I'm a great fan of Obama for what he has achieved so far and in all probability he will win in Nov.I hope the new CIR will not be similar to CIR 2007 as far legal immigration is concerned.After 8 years of paying taxes I would definitely feel greatly disappointed if we get a raw deal for being legal



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